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Post by Nick on Dec 1, 2008 4:35:56 GMT -5
Have to agree with Monkey there. I think feminism is more about equal opportunities and rights, i.e. no one should be disadvantaged in anything (like getting a job) based in gender. Natural differences are one thing, but it's anybody's choice if he/she wants to play a certain role in society.
Some hardcore feminists annoy me because they insist on not marrying or not watching Disney movies because of their beliefs, and at the same time expect guys to pander to their whims like 'gentlemen' -.- Don't get me wrong, the traditional gentleman role isn't bad (like opening doors for ladies and all that), but a hardcore feminist expecting guys to behave like that is just hypocritical.
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Post by Anne on Dec 1, 2008 5:59:20 GMT -5
I agree Monkey, and that's what feminism should be about, however my experience with "self-proclaimed feminists" has almost totally been with man-hating, bitter women who are, like Quasi said, as bad as misogynists.
I also agree with you about dolls and linking them with those disorders. I think that some censoring is best; there are quite a few really skimpily dressed toys out there these days, but then in that same toy line there will be some very respectably dressed dolls. Banning ALL dolls won’t protect them from self-image problems as it is inferred everywhere. You’re better off letting them have their dolls and boosting their self-esteem then depriving them of the experience. But of course, now a days both parents tend to work full time and there are whole generations being raised in childcare facilities. That and the breakdown of the family unit seems to be having some bad affects on everyone.
I was watching a show on one of the women who had been involved in the Liberal Party and politics since the party’s foundation, chairing its Women's League, and she said she didn't like to associate herself with being a feminist because of the bad name so many radicals had given Feminism over the years. She did quite a lot for women's rights and support in Australia, too. Which is what I meant about it pretty much being re-defined.
I actually find that a lot of the hard core feminists who wont be married and either mimic or scorn males will actually be quite rude to men when they genuinely try to be gentlemanly. They're pretty hypocritical that way and it bothers me, just like girls hitting boys because they know that boy is decent enough not to hit women.
It all seems to boil down to this fundamental belief in society that its okay for people who were oppressed or wronged in the past to in turn do all the things they cry about to the parties who oppressed them. Like minorities being racist to white people but it not being considered racism; people preaching about acceptance of all faiths while blatantly targeting Christian icons; females abusing males but it not being considered abuse. It's all pretty irritating to see.
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Post by Nick on Dec 1, 2008 11:42:51 GMT -5
*noddles* I hate to say it, but a lot of feminists give their own cause a bad name. My experience with feminists has been-
1. Ordinary, genuine gentlemanly behaviour. They scorn it and claim we're treating them as inferiors x.x 2. 'Fine, you can open the door yourself'- They think we're rude or not gentlemen -.-
Anne's right, sometimes this 'minority complex' leads these people to think that just because they were pushed around in the past, they have the right to do the same to everyone else now x.x Awful.
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